read more, Scripture: Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. How can we be Christians who care? As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? We're called to not live by our feelings but by faith ( 2 Cor. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. The word astonished means to be struck with amazement. Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip. -Opened new I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Two of the three best known sources Ive listed, Justin Peters and Aimee Byrd, are Reformed. THE CALL? CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. This article is kept continuously updated as needed. Maybe Im misunderstanding you, but it sounds like youre saying, Im going to Heaven and thats enough for me. Heres why: 1. Also, and I am not downing what you say, as you obviously have many wonderful people reading your blog, these women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. read more, Scripture: Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? It doesnt. Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. Mark 10:46-53 I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. Iam finding that more and moreChristians have to be told this. Is highly recomended, presenting four distinctive views about going "beyond the Bible", in ethics and moral issues, each one written by serious scholar. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. One of them went up to him and told him. A. read more, Scripture: If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. Did anything frighten you this morning? Mark 7:31-37. I dont want my readers to believe something just on my (or anyone elses) say so. but i will look to the word of God , and i will talk to my pastor. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Wow! - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. First,this is a sin. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. Church Of God, CARE MINISTRY WITH THE MESSAGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IMPORTANT, CALLED TO CARE 18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. The Bible doesnt say anywhere that because only two people out of two million entered the Promised Land that only a handful of people will be able to experience (theres that word again) what weve learned on the pew.. One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. I KNOW this original post is over a year old. #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). Here they are promoting silence. Basic is enough for brand new believers (and again, what Beth and Priscilla teach is not basic, its false doctrine). Besides the short paragraph you provided on Lisa Harper in the list of other not-recommended teachers, do you have or know of any other good info/reviews on her? What an encouragement! I can tell that just from your comment. Not from Scripture. Ohmygoodness!!!! Id be interested, too! Thanks so much for sharing this with me, Kelly! This is not a Church. God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! Sometimes the Bible can be difficult because it steps on our toes, but I promise, I will always point you Scripture, not to stories, fluff, false doctrine, or your own opinions, feelings, and experiences. #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. You are spot on. Plus, she has a Bible and supposedly knows it well enough to teach it. And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. It will be called the good shepherd calls. Sermon by Rick Crandall THERE WERE Olga Souders As I mentioned in my comment, I was here with my wife, completely of my own volition, in no way did Michelle do anything unbiblical. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. GO FIGURE? Jude 18-19. Furthermore (since Priscilla looks to tangible experiences and anecdotal evidence as support for her ideas), both anecdotal church history and the experiences of Christians who are alive today prove this idea to be false. What Priscilla and so many others do is pretty much the opposite of a parable. read more, Scripture: In our modern 3. Do you have other references to their false teaching? Like you, I also dont understand why believers behave the way they do- taking to task those who stand firmly upon the truth of Gods word instead of rebuking and rejecting false teachers such as Priscilla Shirer, when this is so clearly what Scripture says to do. I think you might find this brief video helpful as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_THJXignk. and Serita Jakes (see below). Ive read her own account explaining this. August 11, 2002 AM I do not think the bible says anything about women speaking in public as long as their not pastors, and she is not talking to men she is talking to ladies. This is not a new idea. What Ive given you here are not my personal views. My personal views dont matter, and neither do yours. And yet you thank him as opposed to rebuking him. As Joshua was facing the end of his life, he challenged the people to chose, the choice they would make would define them as a people. Far too often we just "go through the motions" in life but Jesus wants much more than this for our lives. .. that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. Romans 16:17-18, They said to you, In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions. It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. I. Our young ministry assistant, a woman, is using Discerning Gods Voice for our womens Bible study. I am curious about this comment, I realize this post is old so I dont know if it will be read however, based on the above article and your statements in your article referenced at the top this man who is talking about reading from your blog and learning from you is sinning by being under your teaching. Assembly Of God. Maybe God wants to stretch you beyond here! Have women not been given a part in The Great Commission from Jesus? Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. Hillsong and Steven Furticks Elevation Church are two huge red flags on her itinerary. 2And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: I think the best reward for the reader is to take all those views as complementary and related being parts of the same whole system of interpretation. God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. It sounds like you want to be discerning and weigh things carefully. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. Thats not an accusation, its a statement of fact. Have been vetting her this was very helpful! Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Genesis 24:15-20, Denomination: It is Gods plan for every Christianto grow to spiritual maturity and intimacy with Him. she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. There is no passage of Scripture that says its OK for a woman to preach to, teach, or hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers as long as she has permission from her pastor or husband. Job 36:26 Verse Concepts Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! Do you send women to your articles as a response?. Going Beyond the Bible by Colin Morris. I dont know half of your theological terminology, Heres more info. Do you think the stretching feels good? Matthew 9:32-38. 1. I KNOW that you probably dont have the proclivity to clarify your position (youve already stated that you wouldnt/ couldnt reply to questions that are long. I think I dont think I feel If youre a Christian, what you think, feel, believe, say, and do is supposed to be governed by Scripture. Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. Verse 13. Before I address some of your specific concerns, two things: First, thank you for the kind and civil tone of your comment. I have attempted plenty of times to contact people like Priscilla Shirer. We cannot live without fear. Scroll up to the top of the page and click on the Recommended Bible Teachers tab. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. There are two lists of women and two lists of men. Combining elements of Eastern mysticism and New Age spirituality, this practice of emptying the mind and listening for Gods voice is found nowhere in Scripture. But you have fired a shot across the bow and Im hoping that you will have the courage to further clarify your stand against a sister. My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. Its not about doing good works to get myself into heaven, like going to church every I felt the Lord provided it at the very time I needed it. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. But books and blogs written for women are not what 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to, and its not the same as willingly allowing men to attend (which is something Beth and Priscilla both do) an event where a woman, in an authoritative position, is teaching Gods word to believers, or accepting speaking engagements that are open to men. Morning Service #2 I wasnt aware that Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine and the Osteens were false teachers! Or and be .. Evangelical Dark Web. Pink Impact ConferencePriscilla joined with faith healing apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation, Todd White, as well as false teachers Christine Caine, Lisa Harper, and Pastor Debbie Morris. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). I can always use more people praying for me. No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. such as man can bear. Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. - People coming out of sinful lives dont usually smell good. Grr! Could you point to me where Priscilla suggests that we empty our mind? As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. And, sometimes, basic is enough. Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. Jeremiah 24:7. What do you consider important/non-important and vital/non-vital, and on which Scriptures do you make these distinctions? However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own, It Should Happen Rarely, But It Shouldnt Be Ignored | The Outspoken TULIP, Is Priscilla Shirer false teacher? 3. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. Holy cow! When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. Yes, Kenneth Hagin was one of the worst false teachers out there. - Jonah 2:10. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Why do you think I do not? In keeping with the spirit of Titus 3:10-11, this is your second warning (the first is in the Welcome tab, which youve obviously already read) I will not engage in debate about biblical truth and I will not publish comments or respond to e-mails/messages attempting to engage me in debate. This is a very good reason not to sit under their teaching. Scripture (Romans 16:17-18, 2 John 9-1, Titus 3:10-11, and others) says we are to run from them, not listen to them, and certainly we should not encourage lost people to listen to them, lest they put their faith in a false christ and remain in their sin. Our faith is rock solid if we have placed it in Godthe unchanging, perfect, eternal, sovereign One. Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d Thank you again. AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry I want people to study their Bibles and use Scripture as the measuring stick for the things that are happening and being taught in the church today. Are you into apologetics or something? Why didnt you just study your Bible instead? Love Your Life 2018 (March 20, 2019) with Victoria Osteen and Terri Savelle Foy, Know Your God | Joyce Meyer and Priscilla Shirer (In this clip, Priscilla also gushes over Henry Blackaby who mishandles Scripture and teaches a form of mysticism. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. - Jonah didnt smell good. One thats not a promotional tape? I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. Im sure you can find other examples on YouTube if you need them. Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? If you dont trust the evidence Ive presented here, I encourage you to do your own research. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? I am a born again Christian. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us." Mark 5:32 Verse Concepts And He looked around to see the woman who had done this. I dont want to lead us astray ). I understand that you have your opinion about Mrs Shirer but to judge I do not think God led you to write this check your heart. THIS PRACTICE WAS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE EARLY CHURCH. Lots of information about those online and at http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com and Berean Research. 3. Im so happy for you that you have a discerning pastor. Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. And how their lives could be changed, too. (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). Matthew 18 does not apply to public false teaching. I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. Armor of God Workbook with Video Access Pentecostal. I thought parables were a kind of means to read yourself into scripture? I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. He wants you to learn good theology and sound doctrine. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) We are to base everything we think, do, and believe on Scripture. Did you mean youre unsure whether or not she preaches to men? ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? Accused is a very loaded, and in this case, inaccurate term. Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment :0). Heres why. As a sister in Christ, I believe we should be happy for their success and teaching us the Word of God. But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. ), placing herself into scripture and thereby improperly luring women to God through personal experiences of Jesus instead of purely reading the Word of God. I think youll also find my article Is She a False Teacher? read more, Scripture: As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). There are There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. You are teaching me and I didnt even realize it! THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO AN ANONYMOUS CHRISTIAN WOMAN WHO APPEARS TO OPEN HER HOME TO BELIEVERS FOR WORSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP. Thank you, Daisy. Its not simply a prohibition against women having a job as a pastor- theres more to it than that. Notice the emphasis around the 1:37 mark on peoples personal experiences (praying for miracles, etc.) It just says dont. Period. There is no way to be saved by putting your faith in a false christ. No-one is beyond compassion. Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. Are they guiding and leading a flock (a church)? Feel free to e-mail me (MichelleLesley1@yahoo.com) if it would be easier for you. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ. Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. She does teach and preach to men whether I say she does or not. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - That's When Miracles Happen! Certainly. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. My wife is grateful because of the resources, and because of what she said is best described as like mindedness,(She is sitting beside me by the way!) Moving Beyond the Motions Id recommend starting with Rock Your Role FAQs #11, then moving on to Jill in the Pulpit. :0). Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? Defining moments, we all have them. 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