If Jews translated the Septuagint in Egypt (which everyone agrees on), then they were directly disobeying the command of God by being in Egypt in the first place. We are less sure how Jews in Alexandria were schooled, but we do know how Jews in Israel during Jesus day were schooled. These works are referred to as the Deuterocanonicals. The term deuterocanonical books refers to this collection of scriptures. His list in #37 is identical to the Protestant Old Testament. The Jews especially the Pharisees took this care because the scriptures mattered. While many Catholics accepted the Apocrypha earlier, the Roman Catholic Church officially added the Apocrypha to their Bible at the Council of Trent in the mid 1500's A.D., primarily in response to the Protestant Reformation. One church doesnt necessarily mean they all march in lock-step doctrinally. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. Of course they would also be able to speak Greek because it was the trade language of the world in Jesus day. 46 He got under the elephant, stabbed it from beneath, and killed it; but it fell to the ground upon him and there he died. You can read the full text of the Council of Florence here, but Ive copy/pasted the relevant portion below. For starters, lets all get on the same page. No. They had to be written in Palestine. The first level was called Bet Sefer. Interesting that Saint Cyril said the Apostles and bishops of old time didnt accept the deuterocanonical books. Do some research on the canon used by Ethiopian Jewry. There are 66 books in the bible. Those three councils did not infallibly define the canon of scripture for the whole Church. So this method employed by first century Jews would automatically exclude all of the Gospels, and the Epistles of the New Testament, which were also written in the first century. It just makes no sense. Ill have to look deeper when I get the time. Just a thought by a humble follower of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit . And why trust the Catholic Church which he called the whore of Babylon to come up with an accurate New Testament list? The only way to tell this is to compare Septuigint to Masoretic, as I understand it. One from among your brethren you shall set as king over you; you may not put a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. The bible consists of 73 books in the old testament and 27 books belonging to the new testament. However, 14 books were voted for removal in 1684. To participate, he must be invited by a Rabbi and, if selected, he would begin a process of grooming that would lead to the potential of becoming a Rabbi at age 30. Many of the cross references in the NT were linked to these so called disputed books. It is noted that Catholicism recognizes those dogmas that Orthodoxy does not consider to be true. The Septuagint is a translation of the Hebrew Bible (Our Old Testament) into Greek. Twenty-two sounds like a petite number compared to the 46 Old Testament books in our current Catholic Bible. 3. So theres no help from the extant copies of the Bible to support those exact 7. fyi (a little editing note) after your mention of the article on the process of copying the OT, you typed it twice in your humorous nudge. Saint Cyril of Jerusalem (313 386 AD) stressed (in Catechetical Lecture 4.35) that ONLY the 22 books of the Old Testament should be read, and that Christians should have nothing to do with the apocryphal writings. Consider 1 Cor 11:19. How many books did the Catholics take out of the Bible? Some of the more interesting items in these 7 books are as follows: In 2 Maccabees 12:39-45, we learn how Judas Maccabees prayed for the dead and made atonement FOR THEM by sending money to the temple as a sin offering (purgatory). Still others object to some of the disputed 7 books because of historical or geographical errors in them. Or what is the benefit of circumcision? Consider how zealous the Pharisees were on even the tiniest portions of the Law. (Edward Reuss, Canon of the Holy Scriptures, p.257), Hugh of St. Victor (12th Century): As there are twenty-two alphabetic letters, by means of which we write in Hebrew, and speak what we have to say, so twenty-two books are reckoned, by means of which the yet tender infancy of our man is instructed, while it yet hath need of milk. (Didascalicae Eruditionis, 4.80). Much like English today, Greek was the trade language of the ancient world. 23 Its important to note that the Catholic and Protestant New Testaments are identical. Was the Church wrong for more than 1500 years? The councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage were not ecumenical councils, but merely regional councils. A good analogy might be made with Spanish in America. They would go to sleep and awake the same way as their rabbi and, more importantly, they would learn to study Torah and understand God the exact same way as their rabbi. The New Testament. One must not be ignorant, that there are twenty-two books of the covenant, as the Hebrews recon them; which is the number of letters in their alphabet. Pope Gregory the Great also state that at least 1 Maccabees was not canonical. 11 Behold, days are coming, declares the Lord GOD, When I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine for bread or a thirst for water, But rather for hearing the words of the LORD. (Saint) Melito of Sardis who died in 180 AD said the following in a letter he wrote to Onesimus, Melito to his brother Onesimus, greeting:, As you have often, prompted by your regard for the word of God, expressed a wish to have some extracts made from the Law and the Prophets concerning the Saviour, and concerning our faith in general, and have desired, moreover, to obtain an accurate account of the Ancient Books, as regards their number and their arrangement,. (The Essenes differed from both) That is why the Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection, whilst the Pharisees did. Ecclesiastes, the Song of Songs, Job, the books of the prophets Isaiah, Jeremiah, of the twelve contained in a single book. The alternative would have been to pay scribes to write new copies. @Yaakov. The canon of the Hebrew Bible (called a tanach) was decided before the prophetic line ceased. Anshei Knesset HaGedolah Men of the Great Assembly; founded by Ezra in approximately 520 B.C.E., this institution of Torah Sages led the Jewish People at the beginning of the Second Temple Era (ca. At this time, some controversy still existed over what are called the seven "deuterocanonical books" Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, and I & II Maccabees although they had been incorporated in their entirety or at least partially in versions of the Septuagint, the official Greek translation of the Old Testament (c. 100 BC). Of these read the two and twenty books, but have nothing to do with the apocryphal writings. The New American Bible, which is the version most commonly used by Catholics, presents the two as separate books and thus counts a total of 73 books. The Catholic Bible contains the same 39 Old Testament books, but it includes a few others you may have never heard of: Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus , Baruch , I and II Maccabees, and additions to Daniel and Esther. Any Egyptians that lived there were subjects of Seleucus at the time, and persian kings before that, and Roman Caesar after. There is therefore really no such thing as Sola Scriptura since we all rely on some form of tradition. Let me just take one disagreement between Catholic and Protestant. The majority of Protestant Bibles have 66 books, 39 of which are located in the Old Testament, and 27 of which are located in the New Testament. To preserve the scriptures, it makes sense that He would hold them in a dry climate that would not be razed in 70 CE. The following is a quote from a letter that Jerome wrote to Paula and Eustochium in 394 AD. There are places in the Bible that clearly refer to Egypt in a metaphorical/symbolic sense, and never good. God commanded Israel never to return to Egypt. Here is the evidence from the other side. It would defy all logic and reason to think they wouldve made their own translation instead of using the one at hand: the Septuagint. See my article: Is the Catholic Church Infallible? Both the Jewish Bible and the Hebrew canon in a Protestant Bible (aka Old Testament) contain 39 books, whereas a Catholic Bible contains 46 books in the . Further, remember that in the Old Testament, the Israelites actually lost the Torah Gods law so completely that no one had heard it when it was read to king Josiah. (though there is good evidence He didnt) The assumption is that because Jesus and the Apostles used the Septuagint, it MUST be inspired. Do please send me an email from the contact page and we can discuss it further. Thats the legend, and I do think its based on historical events. Its not hard to imagine the Apostles doing the same thing. Does doing something for centuries make it right? Which Septuagint? There are 73 books in the Catholic Bible, plus two more in an appendix to the Latin Vulgate. 8 Prayer is good when accompanied by fasting, almsgiving, and righteousness. However, 14 books were voted for removal in 1684. I havent seen anyone place the date any later than 130 BC, and 132 is a common date of completion. Number of books. Acts 2:10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome, it is speaking of this entire region of Egypt and Libya, northern Egypt no longer being considered Egypt but Rome. Why does the Protestant church/es argue against or not put the same 7 books in Bible? If all scripture is God-breathed as 2 Timothy 3:16 says, then the deuterocanonical books couldnt be inspired by God because God stopped inspiring until the New Testament (starting with John the Baptizer). These authors were not all connected to each other, most did not even know each other because these books were written over a period of approximately 1500 years. Content. Several early church fathers (and Catholic saints) called them apocryphal. However, I concede theres room for interpretation here so I edited the article to remove that bit. In Matthew 5:18 [1]where see Wetstein; cf. The three most commonly cited councils are: These three councils did indeed list the canon of the Bible. It would be like recommending a new convert read your favorite Christian book. For instance, was there really a rich man who died and went to hell, and then saw his poor servant in the bosom of Abraham? Did you know that the bible was made up of around 80 books when the bible was first translated from Latin to English by the Vatican in 1611? The second part is the New Testament, containing 27 books; the four Canonical gospels, Acts of the Apostles, 21 Epistles or letters and the Book of . So, an undisciplined son is a disgrace, but he can go off and be gone from his father at no cost to him. How many books are in the Old and New Testament KJV? The Catholic Church only recognizes 7 of these, but some denominations recognize more. However as with many legends there is probably a core of truth among its fantastical claims. At the ages of six through twelve, the Jewish boys and girls would begin their education in the synagogue school, learning how to read and write. Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy Joshua Judges Ruth These include various additions to Esther and Daniel together with the novels Tobias, Judith, Baruch, Ecclesiasticus, Wisdom, and First and Second Machabees. The Roman Catholic Bible also has additions to the books of Esther and Daniel. Bible Books & Letters: Determining how many books make up the Bible first of all depends on which version of the Bible you are reading or refering to. A: The Protestant translation of the Old Testament is missing seven books that are included in the Catholic Bible: Baruch, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Sirach, Tobit, and Wisdom. This canon was decided by a great council called the Anshei Knesset HaGedolah. I wish you would correct the misuse of its in place of its. Since were talking about the details of words and their meanings here, it seems important to get the small details right, or they call the big details into question. Most importantly, do they belong in the Bible? The Catholic world is now experiencing a kind of catharsis, when passions have subsided, and everything that was written earlier began to be perceived in the light of recent events. The additional books in the Catholic Bible are found in the Old Testament and include: Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus / Sirach, Baruch, and 1 Maccabees and 2 Maccabees bringing the total to 73 books. They will turn to the LORD, and he will respond to their pleas and heal them. This system started over 400 years before Christ, when the Greek language was far from a world standard. The Council of Trent, in 1546, in response to the Reformation removing 7 books from the canon (canon is a Greek word meaning standard), reaffirmed the original St. Athanasius list of 73 books. Apocrypha: 152,185 words. But if you do noot acknowledge the contrary texts, that is a little disingenuous. I learned from your remarks Berean Patriot. But definitely written by human beings. Likewise, the Jews needed to know Greek to get along in the world of Business. Its important to note that Josephus says the books that are justly believed in only extended to the end of Artaxerxes reign. The difference between Catholic Bible and Christian Bible is that the Catholic Bible comprises all 73 books of the old testament and new testament recognized by the Catholic Church, whereas the Christian Bible, also known as the holy bible, is a sacred book for Christian. Jerome also said: As then the church reads Judith, Tobit, and the books of Maccabees, but does not admit them among the canonical Scriptures, so let it read these two volumes for the edification of the people, not to give authority to doctrines of the church., (Jerome, Preface to the Books of Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Songs). AMOR Y PAZ, para TODOS. We know from the Mishnah (the written record of oral tradition at Jesus time and afterward) among other places that Jewish children were schooled this way. In the Catholic Church. What Does Synod Mean In The Catholic Church? Shouldnt all baptised Christians and members of the Body of Christ try to get along rather than prove Im right and youre wrong? In the Old Testament there are 39 books and in the New Testament there are 27. Good books, possibly. This list of 27 books along with the 46 books of the Old Testament (including) the deuterocanonical ones) was affirmed as the official canon of Sacred Scripture for the Catholic Church by the synods of Hippo (393), Carthage I and II (397 and 419). The canon of the Catholic Church has 73 books, whereas the canon of the majority of Protestant denominations consists of 66 books. No one quite knows when the rest of the Old Testament was translated into the Septuagint. Otherwise, its just a human doing their best. They were NOT converts to Christ like the diaspora Jews. God made it clear which books were to be included, then He stopped inspiring thing. It might be like a book written by C.S. You rightly mention Yehovas bending the edict for living in Egypt with regard to Jesus. The Catholic Bible consists of 27 books in the New Testament and seven books in the Old Testament: Tobit, Judith, Maccabees 1 and 2, Wisdom, the Wisdom of Ben Sira, and Baruch. And I dont see any other church in history declaring anything different than the 73 book canon. Roman Catholic Bibles have 73 books rather than 66. Wisdom 2:12-20: "Let us lie in wait for the righteous man, because he is inconvenient to us and opposes our actions; he reproaches us for sins against the law, and accuses us of sins against our training. The Catholic Church officially and infallibly declared the disputed 7 books to part of the Bible. 21 Terms. Starting at age six, they were taught to read and write Hebrew so they could study the Torah (The first five books of the Old Testament). On what basis does that assumption rest? Lets dive in and see why Catholics include them and Protestants exclude them. The Catholic Church has 73 books in its Bible. Missionvale We ask, If all things have a creator, then who created God? Actually, only created things have a creator, so its improper to lump God with his creation. I did mention there was some evidence that Jerome changed his mind. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. Now, iota could refer to the Greek language, but Keraia certainly does not. How many verses are in the Bible? Christianity spread into Egypt during that time and then 300 years later Alexandria was formed by a new empire and it wasnt until after all of this that scribes wrote the Septuagint. Its well worth reading and wont take long so I highly suggest you read it. One of the better translations thats available with the Dueterocanon is the RSV. The next level was the Bet Midrash. Nonsense. What is the total number of books in the Catholic Bible. A visit is not living yes? I read it carefully so I know the contents pretty well. A better question is WHY and at what point some Protestants felt the need to exclude them? Tobit Judith Wisdom (also called the Wisdom of Solomon) Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus) Baruch 1 Maccabees The Hebrew Bible never contained these writings. The second was the Alexandrian canon which was the Septuagint. However, they were highly regarded books. Job follows, then the Prophets, the twelve being reckoned as one book. Ergo, the Septuigint translators stayed for a limited time, or visit. This 22 book canon (identical to the Protestant Old Testament) was the Old Testament canon used by many of the early church fathers. The Jews historically divided the Old Testament differently than Christians/Catholics do. Would Jesus have used a document that was created by men who were in the middle of disobeying the explicit commands of The Father? We also learn about the anti-marriage demon Asmodeus. Other chapters in this excellent book cover questions such as: And by whose authority? The Catholic Church accidentally recognized this in the Council of Florence. (which again, Ill prove lower down). It was first proposed as in he said what if there was a council of Jamnia? to have happened by Heinrich Graetz in 1871. Ill edit this comment and add a link to the article after I publish it. However, none of these councils are on the official list of Catholic Ecumenical councils. Romans plainly states that the Jews were (past tense) the keepers of the oracles of God. Other Christian canons include a different number of books. Why would Jesus use the Septuagint (Greek) when his audience had already memorized large portions of the Hebrew scriptures? The New Testament was not written all at once. The Old Testament contains 39 (Protestant), 46 (Catholic), or more (Orthodox and other) books, divided, very broadly, into the Pentateuch (Torah), the historical books, the "wisdom" books and the prophets.. How many books are in the Old and New Testament KJV? By comparison, the books of the Catholic Bible include all 66 in the previous list plus seven extra books. So this argument as to WHY the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals should NOT be included in the Bible is really pointless. It was likely written around 430 BC according to the Bible timeline on BibleHub.com. Required fields are marked *, The origin of the term synod may be traced back to the Greek word synodos, which means an assembly. In the Catholic Church, synods typically consist of a gathering of bishops. It is a half truth and is misleading. Therefore, 73 books sure sounds a lot better than 66 books! Catholics believe that the Protestant Reformers deleted certain works, which had been deemed part of Sacred Scripture for a long time, because they disapproved of what was written in those writings. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. As weve already seen, the Council of Florence was the first time the Canon of Scripture was officially listed in an ecumenical council. The Catholic bible has 73 books, the Protestant only 66. There is only one Church established by Christ and one Sacred Tradition. Further, we know they were schooled in Hebrew. In another place Josephus (who was a Jew) says: From Artaxerxes to our times a complete history has been written, but has not been deemed worthy of equal credit with the earlier records, because of the failure of the exact succession of the prophets. Thats not surprising because the first time the Old Testament canon was officially recorded was the Council of Florence in 15th century. It turns out God Himself made the Canon of the Old Testament clear. (John E. Steinmueller, A Companion to Scripture Studies, vol.1, p.80), Hrabanus (9th century A.D.) said the Old Testament was formed by Ezra into twenty-two books that there might be as many books in the Law as there are letters. (Whitaker, Disputation), Peter of Cluny (Better know as Peter the Venerable and also know as Blessed Peter of Montboissier) (1150 A.D.): Twenty-two books. Catholic and Protestant Bibles both include 27 books in the New Testament. The first was the Palestine canon which is identical to the Protestant Old Testament. (So there is precedent for Protestants called them the Apocrypha.). Wheres the Love? While all 66 books found in Protestant Bibles are also found in the Catholic Bible, the Catholic Bible also contains other books, and additions to books. As therefore, the Church reads the books of Judith and Tobias and of the Maccbbees, but does not receive them in the canonical scriptures, so also she may read these writings two writings for the edification of the people, not to establish the authority of ecclesiastical doctrines.. After these prophets died, God stopped speaking as Amos predicted. (this list includes Baruch, but none of the other deuterocanonical books). This goes double because of the high regard in which they held the scriptures. The Catholics say that the Bible that Christ and the Apostles used was the Alexandrian Canon or Septuagint. 14 When you come to the land which the Lord your God gives you, and you possess it and dwell in it, and then say, I will set a king over me, like all the nations that are round about me; 15 you may indeed set as king over you him whom the Lord your God will choose. All materials are posted on the site strictly for informational and educational purposes! SORT ORDER: Canonical | Alphabetical Books of the Bible in Canonical Order Old Testament Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy Joshua Judges Ruth 1 Samue. Well, Martin Luther didnt like 7 books of the Old Testament that disagreed with his personal view of theology, so he threw them out of his bible in the 16th Century.
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