in Old Testament from Dallas Theological Seminary, and a B.A.S. Couldn't the medical records have been earlier?) Strobel, 66, is a former investigative journalist with the Chicago Tribune. I mean I, at the beginning I was expecting to find some reports of different kinds of healings that had already been collected in the booked. It's not impossible under theism, but it is an odd omission and speaks to God's motivation. Craig serves with me on the Board of Evangelical Theological Society. It's in American History, which is not, well there's a lot of Americans who can teach American History, so she especially teaches French. Nathan: it's like he understands broadly what he should be doing but then that stands in place of him actually doing it it's like as if just finally having a bit of a grasp of how we should reason about the these things.suppose we agree with you now well why is that the best explanation? The way people like the stories highlights their way of thinking and provides a teachable moment about like why don't we trust claims just from the claims, even if it has a peer-reviewed journal article. The maternal mortality rate in childbirth is so much higher there. He had asthma all his life. Now you got to go work! That's biola.edu/thinkbiblically. This last part is the reason we set up replication, controls, and other processes to minimize the effects of the limitations. Try comparing these claims to, say, the difficulty in confirming the Higgs boson, gravity waves, black holes, or the accelerating universe. This article was originally published on Pure Flix Insider. So what's your response when you pray, lots of people pray, and a miracle doesn't happen? Well I shouldn't say everybody, but lots of people have love stories. By signing up to the Blaze News newsletter you agree to receive electronic communications from Blaze Media that may sometimes include advertisements or sponsored content. well; Barbara is a perfect fit.. Knowledge falls on a continuum. Craig Keener: I think it's true in some places more than in others. Synder's miraculous healing, which unfolded more than 30 years ago, was apparently so shocking that even her doctors have written about her seemingly impossible medical turn-around. At least there is documentation published at https://seangeorge.com.au/my-story/medical-details/. The problem is trying to determine whether a particular action or treatment actually causes the subsequent (positive) results. The video of the miracle itself doesn't show much, and seems to show potentially abusive behavior of people lifting her out the chair, and supporting her as she attempts to walk in a far from medically controlled environment. But I'm grateful for the, the engagement that's come since then because there has been a lot of good engagement and people have taken it seriously and taken to heart some of the arguments in it. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. It also points to placebo as a possible contributor to the perceived magnitude of the improvement -- the amount of improvement is likely to be perceived to be higher given the expectation. I'm your host, Scott Rae, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University. Barbara Snyder's healing from MS shocked doctors. From Send Proof Elijah StephensI didn't realize how difficult it would be [to find evidence for miracle healings]. in economics from Southern Methodist University. It doesn't mean to stop praying for healing. All rights reserved. Secondly we're talking about these things objectively, put yourself in situations where you can have experiential knowledge: pray for sick people that you know they would not be healed unless God showed up. Honestly, this mistake is primarily due to sloppy reporting -- if you are reporting a set of numbers in a study, especially if you are establishing a timeline of events, you need to make it clear when some numbers are not comparable. Keener: in terms of anomalies whether they're anomalies or whether they're explainable in some way it helps if there's a pattern. So the first part of the answer is sort of true but trivial and also not what they've been doing but then the second part contradicts that by saying "just assume that it's true anyway and start praying for people." In all of human history there has never been one single credible and fully verified miracle cure. So if I'm dealing with historic, historiographic questions, historical reliability questions, I needed to deal with the issue of whether these kinds of things could happen. I commented on the story here but there is very little to go on. That's what he was praying for. Some of them, some of the critiques were based on an interview with me that was published in Christianity Today, rather than the book itself. Lee Strobels Miracles talk (25 minute segment), Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Proximal Intercessory Prayer (STEPP) on Auditory and Visual Impairments in Rural Mozambique, In conversation with Digital Gnosis (Nathan Ormond), Street Epistemology with Eddie (Deep Discussions), Thoughts on the Randal Rauser vs. I commented about it like. Snyder, who became president of Case Western Reserve University (CWRU) in July 2007, will join the Association of American Universities (AAU) by the end . It is also correct to say that it depends on the prior probability of the claim, but it also depends on other desiderata of Jaynes, especially the ones dealing with consistency. Because God told him the coming one was going to baptize in fire. Stanford and Johns Hopkins University. [3] Before Snyder became president of CWRU in July 2007, she was formerly the executive vice president and provost of Ohio State University. I mean it's only a fraction of what's out there, but there was a Pew Forum Study done in, I think, 2006 of Pentecostals and Charismatics in 10 countries that concluded Well if you look at the percentages of Pentecostals and Charismatics who claimed to have witnessed divine healing and then the hard numbers of those in those countries, it comes out to somewhere around 200 million people in those 10 countries alone, who claim to have witnessed are experienced divine healing. episode: Is there medical evidence for miracles? patient on hospice healed by Jesus. People casually talk about God helping to find their car keys or help their sportsing team win, which are not miraculous but imply the intervention of the agent and thus fall under the same umbrella. It got to the point where she was dying. If someone says a treatment works, even at the 1% level, it is tested carefully to see if it works -- especially if there are no obvious side effects. But all of us are called to overcome. So, we know that at least 450 Christians began praying for her, because they wrote letters saying, 'We're praying for you.. I wrote about some of these cases in another post and I've written about miracles many times. -pomelo- 9 mo. Now, I know you can read headlines so you know this was a study of proximal intercessory prayer, but the point is even if you assess the details of the study divorced from knowledge of what the intervention is, it should be obvious that this study tells us nothing. She never quotes her doctors about her condition, and provides no documentation whatsoever -- there is simply nothing to work with. He didn't see any fire so people are getting [inaudible] what's this about? But theists show no interest in doing this, they're satisfied with the first bad study that confirms what they already believe. How is an epistemically responsible thing to do? That said, before writing The Case for Miracles, Strobel was ambivalent about whether these miracles still happen today. So it was just going to be a footnote, but as I researched it more and more it grew more and more. Craig Keener: Yeah. If miracles are real then these steps -- while possibly inconvenient -- would be easy to demonstrate. And sometimes there's also a catch-22 because after so many years the medical documentation has been discarded. Only 15 percent according to the polling that I did believe that miracles cannot happen today," Strobel said. Bladder and stomach control were lost. I mean there was one person, it was so crazy. Barbara was married to the late Robert L. Snyder. The first question is, are there real miracles that get recorded on video. These theists are in fact arguing for a lower level of evidence than we demand of the universities and pharmaceutical companies for their claims. Even in seemingly obvious cases. The first step -- which the theists have not achieved -- is to just demonstrate that there is a real effect to be investigated. And this time the doctor said she won't be coming back to the hospital. It's all just ad hoc special pleading. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Never miss a big news story again. "And so that's kind of what prompted me to investigate this issue.". And I talked with two of her doctors from the time and they both testified, "Yes, this is, there's no medical explanation for this." The study mentioned by Strobel in the video above, and the one I mention in relation to healings of deafness and blindness and how it compares (very favorably) to hypnosis studies, The following is a section from Strobels book that references some of the gold standard scientific studies that show the effectiveness of prayer, which I briefly mentioned in the podcast. She earned her bachelors degree from OSU. In addition to Case Western Reserve, all Or in Matthew 12 and Luke 11 where is says, "If I by the finger of the Spirit of God drive out demons, the Kingdom of God has come upon you." So where there's cutting edge Evangelism, God does more dramatic things. He says, he's going back to these passages about the coming of the [inaudible] and saying, "John, these are signs of the Kingdom right now." Snyder ended up in hospice care with a no-resuscitation order; she was nearly blind, her hands and body were curled and she had a tube in her throat to help her breath as well as a tube in her stomach to ensure proper nourishment. Craig Keener, Michael Shermer & Elijah Stephens and a video with Sean McDowell interviewing Craig Keener called Latest Evidence for Modern Miracles. record-breaking fundraising, and breakthroughs in research and academic But it's a wonderful volume. James rightly points out that the most these people ever seem to provide is: The timeline definitely matters, especially if you're claiming a causal relationship. 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So how much evidence really is enough? Yeah. But you've written a two volume set over, excess of a 1000 pages on the subject of miracles. The Association of American Universities (AAU), Fostering and Protecting Free Speech on Campus, Renew Investments in Vital Scientific Infrastructure, AAU Universities Battle the Opioid Crisis, Progress Toward Achieving Systemic Change, The Strategic Role of a National Organization. It's been shown that there is a high survival rate for patients with their heart rhythm responds to shocks. If there's that many cases there should be enough regularity to detect these things statistically which is exactly the tools we've developed in science to do and to rule out other factors. Barbara Snyder is another one that's not in the book. its future, DiSanto said. I could just as well say that her brushing her teeth caused the healing, because she was healed in the evening shortly after she brushed her teeth. Strobel went on to explain that he interviewed skeptics and believers, alike, and included their perspectives in The Case for Miracles. We originally met when we were, she was an exchange student and I was doing my PhD in New Testament at Duke. Find your thing. So that, I mean that would almost qual, I mean three hours. This doesn't affect the doctor reports, but the personal reports. 5 John Wilkes Booth's Brother and Abe Lincoln's Son . And of course, accounts from the west, it was easier to get the medical documentation so there were strengths with a lot of these. This is like the difference between theists asking skeptics to explain how the disciples ate fish with Jesus, when in reality what we have to explain is that we have a text that has a story where the disciples ate fish with Jesus. It will be life-changing for those individuals, for sure, even under the condition where there are no miracles. Both great books that I encourage all of our listeners to get hold of and to digest. This article wasoriginally published on Pure Flix Insider. Craig Keener: Yeah, and part of it was inherited through my academic training. So welcome. become the next leader of the organization that represents the 63 leading Chris Gunderson who was born with an incurable disorder called Chronic Pseudo Obstruction Syndrome, which was cured by prayer. but there comes a point when enough is enough. Her energy, integrity, and powerful commitment to collaboration have led to progress and partnerships that would have been unimaginable when she first arrived.. And she'd also been teaching some at the University there, but she had to flee the capital sick with malaria. Then a decade or so later, a replication study by Dr. William S. Harris and colleagues was published in the Archives of Internal Medicine. Were the results similar? This was a gold standard study of the effects of intercessory prayer on almost a thousand consecutively admitted coronary patients. And even after CPR is stopped, there is an observed phenomenon of spontaneous recovery of heart activity after as much as 15 minutes, and his recovered after 10 minutes. James: Shermer's essential point is how do you distinguish charlatans from real miracles and the answer is well you weigh up the evidence and you look at the best explanation. They are claiming there is a causal effect, they are claiming that these things happen regularly enough to be observed, yet they want to hide behind the idea that it is somewhat random and not actually try to test it. Is it possible she was misdiagnosed -- it wasn't MS, so looking for an MS recovery may be misdirected? We would not believe any medical claim that didn't have these properties, so we are not having too high of a standard -- we are just refusing to lower the standard in these cases. Is it possible that there was MS and something else, in which case looking for a full recovery from MS is misdirected? Today we can point to solid finances, It involves Barbara Snyder and took place nearly 30 years ago. As you begin your hike, set your sights on a new direction. #unbelievable I think we could say your relationship with Medine and how you guys, the two of you made it together, counts as one of those major miracles in your life. because her twin didn't have it, it makes the original diagnosis questionable, the technology at the time is cited to be suboptimal in the paper, we can't tie the prayer specifically to the timeline, because of expectation effects and placebo effects, so causation is in doubt, she had a genuine improvement, but we have to ask which is more plausible, that there was a misdiagnosis (with the extra point about the twin sister) or the miracle played out in that way. The timeline of the events from the paper is. The theists seem unwilling to do the work and want a pass anyway. Syndersmiraculous healing, which unfolded more than 30 years ago, was apparently so shocking that even her doctors have written about her seemingly impossible medical turn-around. Likewise, Americans are quite prone to believing in the potential occurrence of miracles. All rights reserved. This means that the original measurements were not accurate enough to establish the lengths, and the follow-up that said it grew back are also not enough. Get Charisma's best content delivered right to your inbox! I think it also is evident that the theists aren't serious about studying these things, and are content to believe things on bad evidence. Then, on Pentecost Sunday, two of Synders friends read her letters from those praying for her. Hey, thanks for listening. And then the book that tells the story of your relationship to your wife called Impossible Love. Scott Rae: Okay. 1) A young soldier loses a limb in a battle and the limb is destroyed. What is more striking, especially for people who don't like Pentecostals or Charismatics, what's more striking is that the survey also in those 10 countries dealt with Christians who didn't consider themselves Pentecostal or Charismatic. Here PhD is in history. The situation was pretty hopelessuntil something quite shocking happened. What problems are you interested in? Join Facebook to connect with Barbara Snyder and others you may know. "This male voice coming from the corner of the room where nobody was said, 'Get up, my child, and walk,'" Strobel recounted. President Barbara R. Snyder is president of the Association of American Universities. He already was on disability for this. Shermer: well the counterfactual what about the christian families who pray for their loved one who's dying from cancer and they just die nothing happens from the prayer that happens all the time. In fact, history is full of bizarre coincidences that get downright creepy . But she, but it happened. It was easier for me for some cultures than for other cultures. conversation that I was a part of here: Bad Apologetics Ep 20 - Miracles & even MORE even NEWER Resurrection evidence where we respond to the Unbelievable? He seems really swayed by anecdotal evidence in everything he's written or said, from my experience. Prayer, in her house, probably occurs even more frequently. We know exactly how skeletal muscle tissue is developed, and it takes weeks to months. Craig Keener: Greg Spencer is a case of this. I just was trying to write a footnote for my Acts Commentary because one of the arguments against the reliability of Acts, you know, one fifth of Acts or one third of Mark roughly, deal with miracles. Thank you for being with us. I think, however, there is a selection bias here -- those people who have theological reasons to expect healings are more likely to broadcast what they consider to be healing events, while others for the same sorts of events will prefer more modest interpretations. Feel free to reach out if you want more specifics on a given quote or study. University of Virginia, as well as private ones including Harvard, Yale, MIT, maybe we can study this" That's how a lot of science is done, it starts with "oh wow, that's weird" and then we can go and start testing it but theists don't seem to even want to take that next step. Partly, because we are human and have many biases. #religion And, in fact, one doctor described her as being one of the most hopelessly ill patients he'd ever encountered.". And just trying to stay ahead of the soldiers and the fighting. Note that the STEP study mentioned below is, Let me start by saying that there have been gold standard studies before and after STEP that reached the opposite conclusion: that the group receiving prayer had better outcomes, she said. Scott Rae: Well that gets us to the books that I want to talk more about today. You need to collect the records, have a medical professional who can actually make sense of that data, and have a medical specialist who is willing to look at the data. Barbara is a director of KeyCorp and Progressive Corporation. "One day, one of her friends called WMBI, which is the radio station in Chicago run by the Moody Bible Institute, and said, 'Pray for Barbara. What would happen if two people out in space a few meters apart, abandoned by their spacecraft, decided to wait until gravity pulled them together? God could choose methods that are not so easily confused with memory biases, measurement errors, and other distortions and it is suspicious that he doesn't operate that way. For example, if you take the population of people who go to Rome on pilgrimage each year, you can calculate the fraction of those with diseases that will go into remission. We average between 2 and 3 posts a day. She heard a voice saying, "My child, rise up and walk." She, first of all she ended up having to flee from the capital where she was teaching French at the U.S. Embassy, sorry, she was teaching English at the U.S. Embassy for Francophone Congolese residents. So these are signs of the Kingdom, their foretaste of the Kingdom, but we're still longing for the day we're gonna see him face to face. (Warner Brothers even invited me onto the movie set to watch some of the filming and to meet the engaging actress.) Facebook gives people the power. Case Western Reserves Board of Trustees She's on her deathbed," Strobel explained. No one in medicine evaluates the effectiveness of a treatment from case studies alone, or even primarily due to case studies. One miracle in particular stands out. The latter has more eyewitness testimony than we have for Barbara Snyder. At a minimum, one has to. We use cookies to better understand website visitors, for advertising, and to offer you a better experience. You should receieve a confirmation email shortly. Now we move on to a video with Sean McDowell interviewing Craig Keener called Latest Evidence for Modern Miracles. 2023 Blaze Media LLC. Regardless of the contents of the specific studies, this sort of fishing for positive results is thoroughly unscientific and casts significant doubt on any results from this institution. ", Scott Rae: Yeah, so you had to, I guess you had to check your own-. It is quite clear that once you allow one miraculous healing in, using evidence of just one person, then one has to let in a whole host of others. Elijah: they can verify that before and afterwards and i'm not sure it's rational to call those uh uh just coincidences like you're assuming some type of causality there um and i i think if you even allow for the possibility of something like the christian god to exist then um you've got to take seriously that it could be his action and then make an inference to the best explanation and where i think the voice of science comes in the best is in eliminating hypotheses not necessarily proving that's his voice and so you can go back and go well there's seven different hypotheses science can help us before eliminating some and then we've got two or three and we've got to critically think and go what do i think's most likely the case and i think that's the human situation and we make that call all the time we make it in court. I mean I tried to get accounts from all sorts of different cultures. Can you give me some examples? One of the first widely publicized studies was by Dr. Randolph Byrd, published in 1988 in the peer-reviewed Southern Medical Journal, she said. So she basically pulls the tube out of her throat, says, Go find my parents [and] jumps out of bed.. The response we get is to say "Well what you have to do is you have to compare explanations and see which one's the best" and it's like "Right! She deteriorated over a period of many years, several operations, many hospitalizations," Strobel explained. It's just like a lack of imagination there's just like Christian fundamentalism and there's atheist naturalism and there's no other world views, apparently. We know God worked many and mighty miracles throughout biblical times, but for many Christians, we dont see as much evidence for miracles in our lives as there was in biblical times. Further, the world is complex and any given effect can have many different possible causes, especially if we are talking about biological systems. The emotional language in the paper is a little unusual for a medical journal, and seems a bit sensationalist. Barbara had a very severe case of multiple sclerosis. The good news will be preached to the poor. DiSanto said that he would provide additional updates regarding the search Now obviously those numbers, none of us would say that all of those can only be explained as a miracle. It's walked though in a 5-part blog series: We keep coming back to the question about how you would test for miracles. I mean you could see it, the stories are so compelling that just based on the empirical data that you have, I found the case for miracles pretty hard to refute. You just wonder how legitimate are these miracle claims in the 21st century? Strobel said. public flagship institutions as UCLA, University of Michigan, and the It's just his Baptist church group from just like maybe a half a dozen people to 600 members from, almost all from non-Christian backgrounds. Skepticism is basically that we proportion our belief to the evidence, and we've found (through science) that to do it we need to disbelieve most claims, that we need to acknowledge our biases, and to recognize that even the scientific process is limited. How has the book been received, both in Christian circles and then outside Christian circles? She actually ended up being stranded in a third country for about eight months before she could get to the U.S., but the Lord did so many miracles along the way and we're grateful for this. Craig Keener: Yes. What would happen if two people out in space a few meters apart, abandoned by their spacecraft, decided to wait until gravity pulled them together? You can received notifications daily or weekly. Sometimes there really isn't enough available evidence to substantiate a claim. It was predicted that she would die soon. University. And you just Well that was one of the reasons people argued against their reliability. The response is, essentially, that I am demanding too much evidence. There are any examples of this, so see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15166467/ and https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/full-moon-does-not-affect-mental-health-emergency-room-study-suggests as a couple. As she listened, she said that she heard a male voice coming from the corner of the room a voice she now believes was God. Can we come to any agreement here? On the one hand they use the excuse of "it's not replicable" when asked about how to test it, and on the other hand they want to also say that miracles are common -- more common than people realize. A noted Christian scholar and ethicist, Scott is the author of such books as Moral Choices: An Introduction to Ethics; Business for the Common Good; and Beyond Integrity: A Judeo-Christian Approach to Business Ethics. This effect has been seen a lot, but a good example is the Rendelsham Forest UFO sighting where there is a big difference between the original reports and the later reports or the Barney and Betty Hill case of alien abduction where one can track the contamination of the story to popular media depictions of aliens. Half received prayer; the other half didnt. To contact us or to submit an article, click here. an 18-year-old female lost the majority of her central vision over the course of three months in 1959 and was later diagnosed with juvenile macular degeneration (JMD). Both cases are discussed in Strobels video linked above as well. And remember Think Biblically about everything. "Barbara Snyder was diagnosed at the Mayo Clinic with multiple sclerosis. 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